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The California Supreme Court announced on Wednesday it will issue its ruling tomorrow on whether same-sex couples can marry in the state. The judgment is expected at 10:00 am PT, and LGBT groups throughout the state are making plans to be in San Francisco for the decision.

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david_nwpa4 months, 3 weeks ago

The whole LGBT community will be waiting patiently tomorrow to discover whether the people have been granted the same rights as others, or if LGBT Californians are also second-class citizens. If marriage equality is mandated by the court, then the governor should have no choice but to amend California law and ratify gay marriage.
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  SonOfTheMask4 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  Here's your answer:
  http://news.propeller.com/story/2008/05/15/cali...
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    ecotourusa4 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    WOW!!! Big news David. (congratulations)
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      smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      here's bigger news. the ban HAS BEEN OVERTURNED!!! the year that i was born the recommended course of action for a son or daughter coming out to their parents, was INSTITUTIONALIZATION. and that institution's recommended course of action was ELECTROSHOCK therapy. all of these changes within my short lifetime of 49 years. and please don't think that this is gloating. this SO does not mean that gays and lesbians have won. this means that ALL americans have won. this country remains the single greatest experiment in democracy and human rights in history. WOW!
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      dandt16124 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      This is Wonderful news.
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        jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Great news. However, this ruling came from the CA Court, and won't affect the rest of the country. That has to come from the Federal SC.
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        puffin4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Yeah! :D
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  newbie04204 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  Update:
  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080515/ap_on_re_us...
  SAN FRANCISCO - In a monumental victory for the gay rights movement, the California Supreme Court overturned a voter-approved ban on gay marriage Thursday in a ruling that would allow same-sex couples in the nation's biggest state to tie the knot.
  Good for Cali!!!
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  BigBadJohn6664 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  Since allowing Queer marriage will make a big joke of marriage, why not just do away with marriage altogether
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    smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    i think doing away with the fears and judgements of those that we percieve to be inferior would be a much better direction. well, for you at least.
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      BigBadJohn6664 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      It's just as stupid as a woman demanding membership in an all men's club or a man demanding membership in an all women's club.
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        smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        get a grip(or at least a real gripe). you're comparing private vs. public. please don't embarrass your family further by going on "are you smarter than a 5th grader". they've got it tough enough.
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hamy4 months, 3 weeks ago

Finally, it is actually a possibility that Americans may at last be equal.
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  UnusualSuspect4 months, 3 weeks ago
  
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  UnusualSuspect4 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  More than a possibility...the California State Supreme Court just knocked down the state's ban on same-sex marriage.
  Maybe now other states will follow.
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    Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    Don't you just love it when the courts end-run the will of the people!
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      UnusualSuspect4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      Well...
      As I recall, the "will" of the people voted Gore in as President in 2000, and a certain court (which shall remain nameless) declared the popular vote null and void.
      Yes, the Electoral College is what rules national Presidential elections, but, the will of the people is not always followed, is it?
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Bush won Florida fair and square. SCOTUS only confirmed that. It did not thwart the will of the people since the Electoral College is the will of the people.
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        UnusualSuspect4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Bush may have won Florida and square, but nationally, Gore ended up with more popular votes than Bush.
        Guess the will of the people lost out again, huh...
        Altho, I do think this...
        I would prefer the popular vote to decide everything in this country...no courts, no Congress, no President. Just leave it up to us, the people, to decide on things, within each state.
        Do I think majority rule is always good? No. But I will go along with the majority until such a time comes that, when I don't agree with them, I will fight to persuade them otherwise.
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        The whole reason for the Electoral Vote is that candidates would only have to campaign in large cities.
        But now when a state holds at least 3 of only 535 to go around everybody becomes important.
        With the CA Supreme Court, nobody's important.
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        jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Bush won Florida fair and square. SCOTUS only confirmed that. It did not thwart the will of the people since the Electoral College is the will of the people.>>>
        Nope, the SC confirmed nothing of the sort! They ruled on whether or not the recount could continue.
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      smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      well i know that scalia sure does. this way, while he may have PERSONAL objections, he won't have to be remembered for them. you on the other hand...
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      jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      For the umpteenth time. You live in a country where equal rights are guaranteed to ALL. The will of the people does NOT get to override that.
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DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago

Gay marriage ballot initiatives have failed in so many states that it's only logical that its supporters should attempt to end run the will of the people through litigation.
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  IanFraigun4 months, 3 weeks ago
  
  In situations of human and civil rights the will of the people is often wrong.
  If we would always let that will expressed through the ballot box rule then we would still have slavery. Even with that gone we would still have legal segregation and discrimination. All are aginst our desire that ALL people should have equal rights.
  There are many other things the 'people' have voted for that are against the law and our constitution and have had to be overturned by the courts over the years.
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    Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
    
    They even legalized murder in Roe V Wade.
    They're just people. They put their pants on one leg at a time just like you and me.
    Sometimes they're wrong too. And if they recognize gay marriage, it's an outright attack on the family.
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      compassionatethinker4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      I find it so scary that people that think like this even still exsist in this day and age! Sadly many people will pass these damaging thoughts on to the next generation. It is a cycle of hate that can never lead to anything positive.
      I wish a happy life for your "family" that is SO NOT being attacked by legally allowing other "families" to be happy.
      I wish you could do the same for them!
      
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It isn't discrimination. It's DEFINITION.
        It's like saying nature is discriminating against men by not allowing them to bear children.
        The buliding block of society has been the natural family. Anything else is not the standard and shouldn't be recognized as such.
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        compassionatethinker4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Standards are changing every day. Family, now has many definitions. Our society can definitely use some new building blocks. Happiness is hard to come by. You should appreciate it now matter what form or family it comes in.
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Liberal standards are changing everyday.
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        Goppy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        We Christian Conservatives dont even HAVE any standards.
        We even vote for politicians who trade on their religion -- liek its a chit to be turned in at Vegas!
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Nah, we just tend to avoid the politicians whose preachers hate this country.
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        raats66624 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It's OK for the preachers to hate THE CITIZENS, but don't let them say anything about the country.
        Of course what is LOST on most people is that hatred toward a country USUALLY results from the ACTIONS of it people.....namely it's GOVERNMENT!
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        Endoscopy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        ????????
        You don't make sense.
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        raats66624 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        What's NOT to understand?
        You have Hagee, Robertson, and (had) Falwell preaching DAILY about hatred toward the PEOPLE (gays, abortionists, Muslims, even Catholics) and that's OK. No one is telling John McCain that the preaching of Hagee is AS offensive as those of Wright and by ASKING for that endorsement is WORSE because Hagee has been preaching that hatred of YEARS.
        But when Wright says something bad about the country and Michelle Obama said that she's never been proud of THE COUNTRY everyone gets up in arms.
        Most of the world who currently HATES the United States does so because of the ACTIONS of the people so by encouraging the HATRED of the you are encouraging the hatred of the Country.
        It could be argued that the White Preachers, who the Republican Party has aligned itself with for DECADES, and who have spent their career teaching hatred and intolerance toward it's citizens, are responsible for the sermon that Rev. Wright gave.
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        smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Wow, Locky I never thought that you'd make such a shift in your ideology. Now that Haggee is starting to recognize his guilt and apologize, first to Catholics and who knows maybe gays next, it IS time for all conservatives to distance themselves from McCain. We're all so proud of your growth in such a positive direction!
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        Dionys4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "Nah, we just tend to avoid the politicians whose preachers hate this country. "
        You should listen to Hagee, then.
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Obama? Take a look at his religious rhetoric as part of his campaign strategy in Kentucky.
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        ecotourusa4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Hillary is more gay friendly...and, can you believe insane mccain is claiming we can win in Iraq in just 4 years?
        (Insane!)
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        You prefer insane hussein?
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        scott42614 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Dumbass!
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Reported. So much for tolerance and liberalism, eh?
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        newbie04204 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "We even vote for politicians who trade on their religion -- liek its a chit to be turned in at Vegas!"
        Wow, so Chistian Conservatives are now voting for Obama, who "traded" his religion from Muslim to Christian right?
        Once again Goppy's ignorance knows no bounds....
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        jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Obama never has been Muslim. You've been had.
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        newbie04204 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Have I???:
        http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/50148.html
        He was raised in a Muslim family, albeit a rather liberal one, his name is Muslim, just like his father's who was a Muslim. His step father was a liberal Muslim, almost his entire family is/was, I don't think it's a far stretch to think he was either.
        That being said, I don't care one bit if he was, where he was raised they teach tolerance of ALL religions, teachers wore skirts and they celebrated Christmas at his schools. I wouldn't care if he still was, heck I'm dating a Muslim, as long as he believed in tolerance and acceptance of all religions.
        Me not like Obama has nothing to do with his religous views.
        
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        jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Nope. His father was Muslim, and left when Obama was two. Next.
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        hamy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I wish you or one of your compatriots in combating the equality of Americans could tell me how allowing two people who love each other to marry affects you or your family. Just once I would love to hear something other than "it's wrong" because that still doesn't tell me how it affects you or yours.
        How personally does it affect your life?
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      IanFraigun4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      Please tell me exactly how a gay marriage attacks my family and my 45 year marriage. If you can't which you can not since there is no relation then get of that pony.
      If the court rules in favor of gay marriage it would most likely be on the basis of the state constitutional right of privacy. It will have no more impact on families or marriages than it does today in massachussetts. Do you see massive increases in divorce because that is allowed in that state?
      Don't even talk to me about Roe V Wade. You religion may say one thing, but many say there is no human life until birth and the drawing of the first breath. You don't want abortion then don't have one but don't try to force your religions moral standards on those of other faiths.
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        raats66624 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Please tell me exactly how a gay marriage attacks my family and my 45 year marriage.
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        ****** SARCASM ALERT ***********
        Because IF they allow gays to marry it will REQUIRE that straights CAN'T.....DUH!
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        Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        LMAO!
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        tkyrchncs4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        How can marriage be a privacy issue? Marriage is a public institution; it is a union of individuals that changes their status under numerous laws and regulations.
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        Endoscopy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Obama supports the idea that if the child manages to be born in a botched abortion they can just be laid somewhere to die.
        Going back to grade school government classes. The basic building block of society is the married couple with their children.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        So? Do we make staying single illegal? Do we say sterile couples can't get married?
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        hamy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        So couples that don't plan on having children shouldn't be allowed to marry? Or couples who are infertile shouldn't be allowed to marry?
        Is that where you are going?
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        Dionys4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "Please tell me exactly how a gay marriage attacks my family and my 45 year marriage. If you can't which you can not since there is no relation then get of that pony. "
        It doesn't. The marriage of people like Brittney Spears presents more of a danger and attack.
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It's called a popular vote and gay marriage has been rejected by an overwhelming majority of the American public. Each state has the right to determine marriage laws to match the will of its residents. Gay marriage proponents just can't accept the results of the democratic process.
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        smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        i know i'm commenting like crazy, but who gives a hoot? in a recent cnn poll, 68% of AMERICANS aged 17 to 29 have ABSOLUTELY no problem with guarantying glbt EQUAL rights. think that you can accept those results?
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        CNN said it so it must be a scientifically-conducted poll, eh? LOL. The ultimate public opinion polls are held at the ballot box and gay marriage loses there on a consistent basis, even in California.
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        smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        no locky, it simply shows a trend. a trend that shows the next generation has learned from your mistakes.
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        The younger generation has possibly been neutered by the insidious Liberalism that has pervaded the media and educational institutions.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It is at least equally possible young people see no rationale for discriminating against gays (or anyone).
        I have yet to see any rational reason why gays should be denied the right to marry.
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 2 weeks ago
        
        It's fine if approved by the popular vote in that state.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Again, America is a Constitutional Republic. States do NOT have the right to, say, re-institute slavery even if a popular vote was unanimous!
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It's not just the states, it's the will of the people. They do have a right to be heard and have their collective will made into law.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        So it would be okay with you if the 'will of the people' resulted in the re-institution of slavery?
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        DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        As opposed to the condition of servitude to which the courts have subjected us.
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        scott42614 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Amen!
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        itsme54 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Don't even talk to me about Roe V Wade. You religion may say one thing, but many say there is no human life until birth and the drawing of the first breath.
        i dont know what religion you are referring to. unless you count rules made up by people "in the name of their religion" no scriptures or holy books directly address abortion. i am a christian, but my bible doesnt talk about abortion at all. yet, how can anyone believe its not life until the first breath? what is it? a lump of tissue? do you know that the mothers blood does not flow through the baby at all. while in the mother's womb, a baby produces its own blood at pumps it through its own body- they dont even have the same heart rate as the mom. what is that then? would you have me believe its nothing more than the equivalance of a non-cancerous tumor? to be removed at your convenience? oh wait, tumroe are fed by the host body's blood. babies make their own. its not my religion's moral standards, its my own.
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      jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      And if they recognize gay marriage, it's an outright attack on the family.>>>>
      How?
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        Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I've been trying to figure that out to.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Apparently, it's enough to just SAY it's an attack on the family.
        The only argument I've heard on this is that it is a 'slippery slope' that can only end in people marrying their dogs.
        It's just more religious BS.
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Changing the definition from one man and one woman to any two people, well, why not any three people? four? five? however many you want?
        One man and one woman for thier ability to procreate- which gays cannot. Gay is not the standard and therefore cannot and should not marry. Being below standard should not be rewarded.
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Because if you change the definition for one group (gays) it follows that you'd have to change the definition for all (polygamists).
        You confuse discrimination with definition. This is what you get.
        One man and one woman express the perfect act of love which people of the same sex simply cannot.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "One man and one woman express the perfect act of love which people of the same sex simply cannot."
        So love is only 'perfect' when a particular sexual act can be performed? Which act is that? Missionary position?
        How did you arrive at that conclusion?
        BTW, when you 'define' homosexuals as 'below standard' that is when definition BECOMES discrimination. That is exactly the sort of discrimination the 'looney left' is talking about.
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        How did you arrive at that conclusion?
        Only basic knowledge of biology would bring one to that conclusion.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Biology has very little to do with love. If you want to talk biology, by all means, let's. There is nothing 'unnatural' about homosexuality. It is a deviation from the norm of sexuality, but deviation is not necessarily perversion. That there is a very large element of heredity (as opposed to being learned behaviour) in homosexuality is very well supported. Homosexual behaviour is seen in several non-human species, particularly among social mammals (dolphins, bonobos, etc.).
        
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It wasn't me that moved the direction of marriage.
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        amazed4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I am in love with and want to marry my brother... He loves me and wants to marry me... we're both adults, so it's none of anyone else's business and why should what I'm doing threaten anyone else's marriage?
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        puffin4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Oh please. I thought you were smarter than that.
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        amazed4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I was hoping someone would be able to come up with something a bit better than "oh, please"
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        amazed4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        bunch of negs, but no explanations of why it's ridiculous, given the arguments presented why the gov't can't leave gay marriage illegal...
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        You're 100% on the money, Amazed.
        A marriage between brothers shouldn't bother anybody. What happens in their bedroom shouldn't be anybody else's concern. They're all just a bunch of incestophobes.
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        memestryker4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        That's why a new word makes sense to a lot of people instead of "marriage." Marriage in the U.S. has referred to one man and one woman for so long that even if the law didn't state it, it's the common understanding.
        We know that polygamy generally results in jealousy and has resulted in the subjugation of women. Women have fled to the U.S. from other countries to escape polygamy.
        Gay is not the norm, but it is consistently present in populations. There is no good reason I can see to bar these folks from enjoying equal rights to visit in the hospital, write wills, raise children, work, etc. It doesn't hurt my marriage.
        Let them pay the marriage tax and be responsible for each other's debts! There must be another word that could be used so "marriage" can retain its meaning and not result in a charged emotional response for a lot of people.
        Culture doesn't change overnight, no matter what the law says.
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        puffin4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        It's easier to just amend the definition of marriage and few discriminatory laws pertaining to it than it is to make up a new word and write a whole whack of new, "separate but equal", laws for that one.
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      Natureboy4 months, 3 weeks ago
      
      Oh, holy sh!t you are a tard.
      Recognizing gay marriage is not an "attack on the family." Gay marriage is about two people committing to a loving life together, just as marriage betweeen straights is. It is an AFFIRMATION of family.
      
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        Endoscopy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Only for the few of the less than 3% of the population who are homosexual. Most homosexuals float from partner to partner. Hence the AIDS problem.
        So because of that little splinter of people we are to change the laws and recognize what to a majority of people is a repugnant act.
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I don't buy your assessment of 'most homosexuals', but if one is concerned about homosexuals 'floating from partner to partner', then supporting if not encouraging same-sex marriage would seem to be a really, really GOOD idea!
        Statistically, about 1 in 10 people are homosexual. Besides, is there a minimum threshold under which the Constitution no longer applies? As I recall, the Congress was more than willing to pass special legislation for ONE PERSON (Terri Schaivo).
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        jordan114 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        So because of that little splinter of people we are to change the laws and recognize what to a majority of people is a repugnant act.>>>>
        Marriage and commitment is a "repugnant act"?
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        Natureboy4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        "Only for the few of the less than 3% of the population who are homosexual."
        The majority of gays and lesbians I know are in committed relationships. I don't know where you get your info.
        "Hence the AIDS problem."
        AIDS cannot be laid solely at the doorstep of the gay male population. It is also spread by heterosexuals, and through intravenous drug use. In Africa, the transmission is predominately heterosexual.
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        two people of the same sex cannot love perfectly. Their love cannot create human life.
        Homosexuality is a weakness that is fostered by a failed education in human love. It should not be reinforced through marriage as if they are living a true and worthy lifestyle, when it is just the opposite.
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        Locky124 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        In case you didn't know already, rapists don't tend to marry their victims.
        The child is still a human life, is it not?
        Sure you can falsely convince yourself otherwise, but does the child deserve to die for the rape?
        
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        smeejay4 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        most intelligent thing i've ever seen from you, locky!
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        Tangent0014 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        If procreation is the standard for marriage, then sterile straight couples shouldn't be allowed to marry. Further, a fertile straight couple MUST have children if they want to be married. If a fertile couple doesn't have kids, are they punished? Is their marriage retroactively nullified? What happens if a fertile couple becomes sterile before having kids?
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        ZippySpincycle4 months, 3 weeks ago

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